South Hampshire BS Wins L&SCBS
10th November 2019
Jim Lawrie our Chairman opened the
meeting and welcomed all there. Apologies were read out for John
Burton, Tony Cash, Geoff Futcher, Kevin Burnett, Pam & Malcolm
Freemantle, Bill Farr and Barry Collins.
the birds benched and ready for the fun judging, our judge for the
evening had to choose his best 3/4 birds to keep, so we could
compare later with the members’ selections.
The judge for the
evening was Steve Bailey, so whilst the birds were being judged we
carried on with club business.
/ Mick / Peter mentioned the London & Southern Counties BS Inter
Club competition to be held on Sunday 12th November and
thanked, in advance, all who would support it by entering their
birds as part of the team of 12 classes. He said it would be nice
to win again this year.
update on the 2020 - 2021 programs and the speakers booked was email
to all members and asked if anyone wanted any particular speakers
booked for 2022.
Everyone was asked to keep their judging slips / paper work on them
until part 2 of the evening.
After lots of lively discussion and the sharing of ideas between the
members it was time for a tea break. Once the break was over we
asked Steve to start part two and explain his own choices on which
birds he was keeping and why.
Steve said he had some heavy feathered birds and they needed to be
refined with some deportment, which would help resolve some of the
then asked various members to come up with their selections and give
their reasons for placing the birds as they did. This was very
entertaining as most members had a go.
the evening was drawing to a close it was evident that most members
chose different birds for various reasons.
many thanks to all who brought birds along for the evening and to
Steve Bailey for a brilliant explanation on his chosen birds and why
he didn’t chose the others.
evening was very interesting, especially with comments from the
floor as well! It was an enjoyable evening with most members
participating, which is what club meetings are all about.
Jim Lawrie, our Chairman, opened the
meeting in the snooker room (hall was double booked by others) and
welcomed all there. Apologies were read out from John Burton, Tony
Cash, Geoff Futcher, Kevin Burnett, Andy Thorpe, Pam & Malcolm
Freemantle and Steve Bailey.
With all the birds benched and ready,
he then handed over to our judge for the evening, Mick Freeborn with
Neil Cawley acting as chief steward and Andrew Pitcher as steward
Whilst the main judging was being
carried out we dealt with club business and general matters.
Just to let you all know I have taken
a step back and I am now the Assistant Secretary as I am not able to
make many meetings due to my health problems. Steve Murdock
has been co-opted on as General Secretary as from 25 September 2019.
I have also emailed a completed 2020
program to members before this meeting and I am working on 2021 now.
In part two of the evening Mick gave
a commentary on his decisions and placings of various birds with
questions from the floor.
Our congratulations to the main
winners of the evening:
SOUTH HANTS BS 2019
BEST BUDGERIGAR IN SHOW
BEST YOUNG BIRD IN SHOW
BEST OPPOSITE SEX ANY AGE
BEST OPPOSITE SEX YOUNG BIRD
BEST ANY AGE IN SHOW
BEST CHAMPION ANY AGE
BEST CHAMPION YOUNG BIRD
BEST INTERMEDIATE ANY AGE
BEST INTERMEDIATE YOUNG BIRD
BEST NOVICE ANY AGE
BEST NOVICE YOUNG BIRD
BEST JUNIOR BIRD
Our thanks to our stewards for the
evening, who did a great job working along side Mick FreeBo!
After the raffle Jim, our Chairman,
thanked Mick for adjudicating and not accepting any ‘expenses’ and
all of the members for bringing their birds. He then closed the
meeting and wished everyone a safe journey home.
Pictures of winning birds by Neil
South Hampshire September 2019
Jim Lawrie, our Chairman,
opened the meeting and welcomed all there. (19). Apologies were read
out from John Burton, Barry Collins, Tony Cash, Andy Thorpe, Geoff
Futcher, Andrew McKendrick, Ray Nichols, Pam & Malcolm Freemantle
and Bill Farr.
All the birds’ were benched
(Any birds), ready for discussion later.
Trevor Terheege and apologised to Trevor for the low
turnout, Trevor had no problem as he has done his talk to 7
in the past.
Trevor then gave us
his presentation on how the TA1 stud has developed over the
years and the direction in which they’ve moved to help
achieve their goals.
He gave an in-depth
presentation with power point support, to how he started in
the hobby with his father and his progress to the present
day with the involvement of his son and daughter in law. He
showed us numerous photos of his birds to show how they have
progressed over the past years.
Recently he has
built a summer house in his garden, which is now used as a
second bird-room which enables him to allow one bird-room to
be left fallow on alternate years.
In 2015 he had a disastrous breeding
season breeding no babies due to 100% French moult.
In 2017 he changed direction by
bringing in European type birds (which to this day his does
not like, but realises they are needed to improve the stud)
from Maarten Heylen which has transformed his birds to more
During the break he judged
the 6 birds to which ones he would be willing to take home.
He concluded his
presentation after the break with photos of his present birds
followed by a short period of questions and answers on several
topics. A great evening had by all, once again many thanks to
Trevor for a most interesting presentation for making the long
journey to speak to us
All were warmly
welcomed (32) at the BBQ at Peter Merritt’s house, which started
received from Malcolm & Pam
Bill Butler, Bill Farr, Tony Cash and John Burton.
Tables and chairs were set up all
around the garden, with a food table set up near to the BBQ. Peter &
Chris were well prepared and organised, with mouth watering sausages
and delicious burgers.
There were various dishes to go with
the meals, including coleslaw, rice, pickled onions, potato salad
and a mixed salad of tomatoes, lettuce, etc.
The desert were equally mouth
watering, Profiteroles especially with cream! Everyone sat down
together for a lovely social evening with free drinks all from club
Andy Thorpe, our Vice President
thanked Chris, Peter and Sara for their hard work in cooking /
preparing the food and also, a big ‘thank you’ to all the members
that attended - it was great!
The BBQ finished at just after
9.00pm, with members drifting off
wished a safe journey home.
South Hampshire July
NOTES BY JIM LAWRIE
Due to Tony Cash’s pre-arranged
absence, Jim Lawrie (Chairman) handed chairmanship of the meeting to
Mike Freeborn (Vice Chairman) to allow Jim to take a note of the
Mike opened the meeting at 8.12pm and
welcomed all there and our speaker Conner Hickman. Apologies were
read out for Tony Cash, John Burton, Bryon Shaw, Geoff Futcher,
David Rice, Peter Church, Steve Cox, Kevin Burnett, Bill Butler, Les
and Miranda Underwood, Malcolm and Pam Freemantle, Andy Thorpe and
Mike then mentioned that the Club no
longer had access to the horse-box used for transporting and storing
its show staging, nor will the school authorities allow us to have a
storage facility on site. Whilst we have a temporary solution for
this year’s Open Show, a more permanent solution has to be found.
The Committee will therefore consider the possibility of the Club
buying a second-hand trailer. Before introducing Conner, as an
aside, Mike said that Dorset Open Show (7 July) had received an
entry of 602.
Conner explained that his
work commitments involved frequent travel around the
country, so he needed to keep his birdroom management
simple. Therefore, his presentation this evening was
entitled “Keep it Simple”.
Conner gave a little
background history of his interest in budgies. His dad had
kept pigeons and his mum had been involved with birds too,
which pump-primed his interest in budgies. He started as a
junior and had his mum’s aviary (6’ x 3’ outside flight and
6’ x 4’ shed) – shared with a rabbit and quail - and 8
breeding cages. He obtained birds from local breeders and
Ricky Watts and Clive Lofting from Guildford. He bred and
showed his birds straight away. But, an all too familiar
tale (no not tail!), was the arrival of other distractions
and interests that took him away from the hobby.
Conner re-started in the hobby in
1999, obtaining birds again from Ricky Watts, and Ian Woodridge. His
current birdroom set up is:
24’ x 12’
flights (9’ x9’ and 6’ x 9’);
flights (5.5’ x 8.5’, 4.5’ x 6.5’ and a 3’ x 5’ half flight with
breeding cages (easy to clean and maintain), measuring 15” x 26”
x 20”; and a
Conner likes to keep about 40 cocks
(including 18 young cocks) and 80 hens. He culls hard as he doesn’t
like to keep hens older than 2 years, unless exceptional, and cocks
until 3 years old. He prefers to keep large cocks and to use smaller
stylish well bred hens.
Recent origins of his birds are from
Doug Ball; Les Martin; Geoff Tuplin; Crookes and Burns; Richard
Miller; Freakley and Ainley (as was) and Keith Moorhouse. Conner
explained that he likes to buy related birds, which can save time in
building family lines.
Conner cages up his show team at
least 4 weeks before a show. He sprays the birds daily and provides
show cage training. In the run-up to a show he will use a tooth
brush or hacksaw to remove feather sheaths on the birds’ capping.
On re-entry to the hobby, Conner’s
aim was to achieve Section wins in going through the ranks. He won
his first BIS in 2007 as an Intermediate. Since then he has won
numerous CCs and some 8 BIS and also winning Best Young Bird at the
BS Club Show in 2016.
Building a Stud:
Conner likes to build relationships
with other breeders and go back to them for related outcrosses each
year to build families, to establish the features he wants in his
birds. He now tends to get birds from a few breeders and works with
family lines. An important maxim of his is to “treat others as you
would wish to be treated”.
He believes it takes about 10 years
(and longer) to build a stud. You need to cull hard and reduce to a
pre-determined number of birds (ie he aims to keep 120 birds),
keeping the age of the birds to no more than 3 years for cocks and 2
years for hens, unless they are exceptional. He only brings in
(buying or swapping) a few birds a year to keep fertility up,
establish desired features and to keep his interest up.
Conner strives to make progress by
improving the average standard of his birds by 10% each year. He
aims to keep faults in his birds to a minimum (e.g. flecking) by
only retaining a small percentage (10% or less) with faults, but
with other desirable features. He sells spare breeding team birds in
People are always looking for that
great bird, but breeders are not willing to part with them unless
persuaded by big monies. But Conner buys stock birds with features
he feels he needs to bolster or add to his stud. He thinks beginners
spend too much on birds generally and keep too many, and are often
disappointed with the results in the offspring. He advised:
look for small
well bred hens (large buff hens are often difficult to breed
Make birds pay
for themselves (ie sell 10 buy 1);
young from outcrosses, even if visually not the standard you
can themselves be capable of throwing quality chicks.
Conner believes birds’ pedigree is
important. He pairs 60% visual and 40% pedigree. He favours using
smaller hens that are well bred, not only are they more likely to
breed greater numbers than buff hens, but quality chicks can be
produced if in the family background.
Conner does not pair best to best.
Instead he tries to balance faults by not pairing the same faults
together, such as lack of:
mask – length
and spot size;
frame (recessive feature);
Conner does not pair too close. For
example, he will not pair father to daughter; mother to son), but
does pair cousins. His ideal pairing is:
non-buff feathering, to get a percentage of chicks with
produce show birds;
bred stylish hens;
Conner starts breeding in October, in
time for second round chicks to meet the ring issue date. He allows
pairs to take as many rounds as the pair want to. He starts
assessing chicks from about 3-4 weeks old and marks his records. And
he weans chicks from 5 weeks to a mobile flight.
Conner has limited time due to his
work commitments, so he keeps his management routine simple. He:
Countrywide society blend seed;
and pieces of carrots;
horse bedding (hemp) to catch litter;
and hoovers birdroom;
wash birdroom; and
Conner is observant to look out for
any sick birds, as these could soon infect the whole stud. He
isolates and medicates the sick bird and culls within a short period
if there are no signs of recovery. Medicines he keeps are:
Conner then showed images of his
birds, past and present that have done well for him and proceeded to
take questions from the floor.
Mike Freeborn thanked Conner for his
down to earth and interesting talk. Members showed their
appreciation in the usual manner. The meeting closed 10.10 pm.
South Hampshire June
Due to Tony
Cash’s pre-arranged absence, Mike Freeborn (Vice Chairman) chaired
the meeting to allow Jim Lawrie (Chairman) to take a note of the
Mike opened the
meeting at 8.00pm and welcomed all there and our speaker Roger Carr.
Apologies were read out for Tony Cash, John Burton, Bryon Shaw,
Geoff Futcher, David Rice, Neil Cawley, Peter Church, Steve Bailey,
Steve Cox, Kevin Burnett, Bill Butler, Andrew McKendrick and Peter
to discuss some house-keeping matters, especially relating to our
forthcoming Open Show. Firstly, he asked for clarification for
breakfast catering arrangements. Les Underwood confirmed that Bacon
and egg rolls would be on sale. Secondly, Mike explained that help
by members would be needed to load and unload staging at the show
hall. Thirdly, he encouraged further support for financial
sponsorship of the show. Finally, Mike expressed the thought that
numbers of birds benched might be down this year due to merging the
Beginners’ section into the Novice section.
benched (any cock bird) to be judged and talked about later. Mike
invited (at 8.05pm) Roger Carr to talk for about an hour and resume
after a refreshment break.
by saying he was lucky to be here tonight as he had not noted his
diary, nor recalled having received written confirmation of his
invitation. Luckily for us, his good friend Bob McCabe did remind
him about tonight.
that he does not do presentations with the aid of computers.
Instead, he proposed a general discussion about budgies and the
hobby. He said he joined the B.S. in 1956 and that he was probably
now in the top 20 fanciers with his length of membership of some 63
In 1956, the
B.S. had only been in existence for around 30 years. Roger knew most
fanciers, past and present, or heard stories about them! In those
days, the BS’ membership was over 20,000, but today is less than
2,500. To qualify as a Championship Show, 1,000 birds benched was
the threshold now down to 600. In his opinion, Roger thought that
with this decline in the hobby, awards were devalued compared to the
1950s and 1960s. Roger considered that this decline was due to
several factors, eg other distractions for young people; a lot of
effort and time required; gardens smaller today to accommodate an
1950s, budgies have been developed significantly. When judging,
condition then was considered essential. This meant all had a chance
at winning an award, as show preparation and presentation could
improve the chances of a lesser quality bird achieving an award.
Today, Roger commented that the biggest headed birds seem to win.
There used to be “Ideals” for both cocks and hens, but in the 1960s
one shape or “Ideal” was adopted for both cocks and hens.
talked about the size of budgies today and asked whether it was the
frame that had been enlarged or just feather? He said that he would
like to see a better structured bird, ie improve the structural
frame by selective breeding, and not just building feather on our
birds. He also does not like the “gap” you see on the head feathers
of today’s birds. He would much prefer to see greater density of
head feather. Yesteryear, fanciers tried to get a better frame on
the birds combined with a medium feather to improve size but also to
intensify the colour (i.e. light refraction on buff feathering dulls
talked about the price of birds. In the 1960s good quality birds
were never cheap. He paid £12 for a bird when the average weekly
wage was about £10. Compared to today’s prices, not much has
changed. The average weekly wage is about £500, and it is not
uncommon to pay this sum for a reasonable quality bird today.
that today the B.S. was too focussed on cost saving. When the
General Council was 40 in number, you could at least expect to have
around 6 good and enthusiastic people that had innovative ideas and
could make improvements to the hobby. In Roger’s opinion, reducing
the General Council to 20 people limits this capacity. Whilst there
seems no prospect in the near future of having the B.S. Club Show
outside of Yorkshire, Roger felt that this could easily be arranged
with sufficient planning a year ahead.
attributed Harry Bryan as the main person responsible for changing
and developing the budgie. Harry did not like the protruding beak on
the birds, so through selective breeding he developed the tucked in
beak and larger spots that we see today. Just after the Second World
War, birds were seen with longer feathers (long flights). Ken Farmer
latched onto the Luton breeder who had bred them and he went on to
develop the budgie. Roger considered that Joe Mannes was another
breeder who had a significant impact on developing the modern
budgie, as did Frank Silva and Daniel Lutolf today.
This was a
suitable moment, 9pm, to have a refreshment break and to resume the
talk at 9.15pm.
interval, Roger judged the 3 cock birds. He explained that the bird
in 3rd place (Dark Green) was probably the best bird had
it not dropped its tail, which simply threw it out of balance. His
comments gave encouragement to the juvenile whose bird it was.
talk, Roger said that Harry Bryon had been the most successful of
all exhibitors in the number of times in winning the Club Show. He
also mentioned that Harry would use only plain canary seed in his
show cages and fill them up to the brim. He was not saying that
these were “marked” cages, but judges certainly knew when they were
judging Harry’s birds!
Roger explained his dislikes:
- Dirty cages,
which he feels should not be allowed to be benched;
- Flecking of any
description should be penalised severely;
that, if nothing else, judges need to be consistent in their
judging. Exhibitors will then know what to expect.
This was a
great informal meeting and we could have listened to Roger all
night, but all good things come to an end. Mike invited members to
show their appreciation in the normal way. We finished off with a
Well done to
those who brought birds.
South Hampshire May
Jim Lawrie, our Chairman, opened the
meeting and welcomed all there (31). Apologies were read out
from John Burton, Bryon Shaw, Geoff Futcher, Bill Farr, Brian
Bailey, Kevin Burnett and Steve Cox.
With the birds
benched, Alan Fretten started judging
at 8.15pm. Neil Cawley acted as chief steward,
whilst we dealt with some club business.
Alan was asked
to choose Best Young Bird overall, best Opposite Sex and
Best Barhead, as well as section winners.
I also mentioned that our Show
schedule had been updated as far we can go at the moment; we are
just waiting for any further details to come through to Andy Thorpe.
Jim mentioned some of the decisions
made at the committee meeting of the 2-4-2019, which was held at
Peter Merritt’s house. Mainly regarding the show, details below:
Managers: Mick Freeborn &
Peter Merritt assisted by Aiden Bird
& Malcolm Parsons
Will be appointed by Show Managers on
Andy Thorpe & Kevin Burnett
Mike Dobbs to be engaged again. (Confirmed)
mentioned about the Dorset & District BS seminar being held on
Sunday, 19th May 2019 at West Parley Memorial Hall, 275,
Christchurch Road, West Parley, Ferndown BH22 8SL. Main meeting
starts at 10am with Roger Carr chairing the meeting.
Alan had almost
finished his judging by the break, so after refreshments and Jim
Lawrie`s birthday cakes (he will be 65 tomorrow, 4th May 2019). Alan
selected the main winners of the night. He gave a detailed
assessment of the birds he had chosen, with a Grey Cock up as Best
Bird, saying it will become a super budgie!
Alan then started to
give comments regarding the quality of the birds benched and the
faults and good features that were in front of him. He also
explained the types of pairings he liked.
With each bird
commented on, along with comments from various members, he then took
questions from the floor. There were lots of positive and
interesting comments, so ‘well
done’ to all the
winners. We drifted onto the rings again with Alan saying this had
been going on for years and we should be getting better quality then
we do and it’s up to the BS to sort out once and for all. Most of
us at the meeting agreed with that comment!
The main winners on the evening were:
Best Young Bird: Peter Merritt (Grey Cock)
Best Opp. Sex Young Bird: Ray Nichols
Best Champion Bird: Peter Merritt
Best Intermediate Bird: Ray Nichols
Best Novice Young Bird: Chris Mathews
Best Barhead: Peter Merritt
Best Junior: Lila Pitcher
Best Spangle: Ray Nichols
Best Red Eye: N/A
Best Yellow Face: N/A
Well done to Alan for his judging and
thanks to all who brought birds on the evening!
The Aviary Trip on May 25th
Jim Lawrie, our
Chairman, opened the meeting and welcomed all there. (30)
read out from John Burton, Bryon Shaw, Geoff Futcher, Brian Bailey,
Kevin Burnett, Peter Church, Steve Cox and Pam Freemantle.
With all the
birds’ benched (any Green Series) and ready for discussion later.
Jim Lawrie then
welcomed Steve Holland of The Holland Stud to our April 2019
The presentation was headed:
Medication, Prevention or Cure! (Below is Stephen`s report)
What do you look for when purchasing
a/ Clean well
managed bird room
b/ Stock that
two we would walk away from the best bird we had been offered!
What do you do
with new stock when you get it home!
a/ Ivermec all
new birds as they come through the door.
b/ Isolate them
from all your stock, if possible in separate room.
c/ Treat for
Trichomoniasis we use Ronivet S but there are a number of similar
products in the market place that will do the same job. Follow the
instructions of the product you are using.
d/ Follow this
with a course of Probiotics, again there are a good number of brands
in the marketplace.
e/ Treat for
Mega bacteria! We did this last year but the Megabac S does not
have a licence in the UK and you may have to import it from Vetafarm.
It’s a pain to administer as you have to “black out” all of the
drinkers because it degrades in light.
f/ Again a
course of probiotics
that would take about a month. Much longer than what most people
would consider a period of quarantine
In an ideal
would I would have pre-treated the isolation cage with Mil Ban.
How often do
you treat for this! Vetafarm recommend 4 times a year, if you use
Ronivet S it can be given with no ill effects during the breeding
season always follow with a treatment of a probiotic. Other
medications include Harkers “Spartrix” and Versa Laga “Tricho Plus”
worst named illness in Budgerigars. It’s not a Bacteria and will not
be effected by antibiotics. What is it, vets will now use the term
AGY or Avian Gastric Yeast, mega bacteria is a yeast infection. More
recently three form of yeast infection have been identified. The
“accepted” treatment is Megabac S, but as I have already said it
does not hold a licence in the UK, effectively making it illegal!
It’s a pain to use as the drinkers have to be “Blacked out” as the
product degrades in light.
effective!!! I spent some time with an “exotics” vet last year and
her view was that there were three stages of Mega bacteria. Stage 1
all birds carry it but their immune system keep it under control,
Stage 2, the immune system in the bird is weak and symptoms start to
be visible. Stage 3, a full blown outbreak in the bird, this
normally means the “infection” has spread to other organs.
At stage 2 you
may be able to get the bird back but at stage 3 the bird probably is
of more of a risk to your stud and should be disposed of.
the stud last year with Megabac S it’s very expensive, we spent £300
on sufficient Megabac S to treat a stud of 400 / 500 bird. Was it
effective! Our view and I think the view of everyone who I have
spoken to who has used it is the same. At best it’s a preventative
medication; it will boost/reduce the risk of stage 2 mega bacteria
it will do nothing help at stage 2.
is another treatment that is widely used for Mega bacteria. This is
easily and cheaply obtained. It’s a food preservative widely used in
the food industry again for us it’s a preventative medication it
does not bring a bird back from stage 2.
suggested the best “preventative” action we could use was to keep
the bird’s crop slightly acidic. This can be achieved by the
addition of cider vinegar to the birds water for a couple of days a
Peroxide! What is it. It’s the best substance for removing fungal
growth if you have mould in your bath room treat it with Hydrogen
peroxide. Why do I mention this, I did a lot of research on the
internet trying to find a successful answer to stage 2 mega
bacteria. I found a research paper from a university in Italy that
showed result using 1ml of 10% Hydrogen Peroxide to 100ml water for
30 days had major results in combating stage 2. I have since found
out that it is better to use none chlorinated water.
Michael had set
me the task of trying to find something that may work. When I found
this I said “don’t shoot the messenger” as I knew he would say
Hydrogen Peroxide is what they use to bleach ladies hair. It was the
reaction I got never the less. We had 3 hens (and its hens that
seem to suffer with Mega bacteria more than cock birds) that Michael
had desperately hoped to get in the breeding cage, so we were at a
stage of “try it or lose them” we had nothing to lose.
The hens were
put on the treatment and after 30 day looked fit and healthy, so
much so Michael put 2 of them in the breeding cage. To me this was
the ultimate test, would they be able lay eggs, would they be
fertile and would the chick be healthy. The answer was yes, yes and
yes. We have health chick off the two hens. I have told three other
“friends” and they have all had similar results, one novice took the
decision to treat the whole of his small stud. No ill effect. A
couple of other thing I learnt was that a major constituent of
eucalyptus is Hydrogen Peroxide so birds in the wild consume it
with Hydrogen Peroxide in it is Manuka honey. This can be added to
drinking water, warm the water, don’t boil and the honey dissolves,
if it’s added to boiling water the heat kills all the goodness.
As I originally
it was thought to be one form of yeast/ fungus that cause AGY but in
more recent papers three forms have been identified. A new drug
called FUNGITRAXX now has a licence in Europe that treats two forms
but this is only available on vet’s prescription and has to be
administered directly into the bird’s crop for a number of days.
called MegaCare by the Bird Care company it’s a two part medication
and is £18.99
Preparation for the breeding season
routing, wash with a disinfectant solution, followed by a wash with
a bleach solution, followed by a steam clean, then paint with Mil
Ban. Also do the end 1” of every perch with Mil ban and all the
joins in the nest boxes. I would also suggest the use of Diatonic
earth in the bottom of both cages and nest boxes
Is all our
water the same!
No it can vary
in hardness and the chemicals that the water companies can legally
add to our water.
experienced hens going “lame” when laying eggs. Its rickets caused
by a calcium deficiency. Michael has regularly had a couple of hens
a year going lame during the breeding season, but it seldom happens
at my place. Our seed and feeding methods are exactly the same so I
started to investigate what the differences could be. The only
difference I could find was our water supply.
Michael has his
water off South Staffs and my water is from Severn Trent (even
though we are only 30 miles apart) Michael’s water is very soft and
my water is very hard. If we do not filter our kettle water we fur
up a kettle in about 6 months and my father would never drink any
form of water drink at our place. When I examined the calcium
content of hard and soft water the results were staggering, and
partly answered the difference. I then read an article about
fluoride addition to water. The water companies can, if they wish
add fluorine within a range. Florine inhibits the uptake of calcium,
and when I checked South Staffs added it a much higher rate than
Severn Trent. So Michael has the two extremes low calcium content in
his water and a high inhibitor rate. You can check all this on any
of the water company’s web sites.
What do we add
from any source requires one additional thing Vitamin D so once a
week for two days we add Soluvite D, this gives the required vitamin
D. Avigold is a similar product. I have heard mixed results with the
new Avigold Plus!
we add 2ml of Solosan to a 1 litre of water for two days. This is
particularly good in “open” flight waters where droppings can be
deposited in drinking water.
ever have what we call a stinky hens. A hen who’s droppings smell
like ammonia when they are laying eggs. You will never get fertile
eggs off these hens but it is simple to cure. Add a teaspoon of
cider vinegar to a pint of water and give this to the hen for a
couple of weeks. The smell will disappear and she will get fertile
addition to water can be done but we prefer to add it to our soft
food, but remember it’s only worth doing if you add a vitamin D
supplement. The reason we add things to the soft food is simple.
Budgerigars can go about 30 without water, they can extract the
water they need from any food containing water ie veg, soaked food
and soft food. We believe if they don’t like the taste of the water
they will leave it, but we are left with empty soft food dishes
regardless of what we add.
was recommended by the exotics vet as the best preventative action
to prevent Mega Bacteria so for two days a week they get one tea
spoon of cider vinegar into the soft food every other day, and in
truth they seem to like the soft food more with the cider vinegar
addition. I have a chart that I can leave which show what cider
vinegar additions you can use for some complaints.
what do you use. Have you looked at the calcium content! Most brands
contain between 2.5 to 7.5% of calcium. You are then asked/told to
dilute this in water so your calcium additions are around 0.2 to
0.7%. we use a calcium powder that is 99.9% calcium, it’s cheaper
than the branded calcium…..I just don’t like wasting money.
systems. I would never
use automatic watering systems. Budgerigar water take up is low and
therefore the water movement in an automatic watering system is low.
Coming from the food industry one of the things we had to test for
on our cooling systems was legionella. Typically occurring in low
movement and warm water.
flowmatic drinkers that are scrubbed every other day then at least
twice a year we soak them in a bleach solution for two days then
into a plain water solution for two days. This ensures there is no
bacteria/algae build up in the drinker. This is also another reason
we use Solosan in our drinking water to reduce any risks from the
bug control. Avian
Insect Liquidator can be mixed with water to the directed dilution
and sprayed in the aviary without harm to any birds. I know of
breeders that do this on a regular basis via a fogger.
Anit-biotics:- One area where we have problems in our view, the old Auromycin and
Terramycin were “fast acting” antibiotics and if you got them into a
bird early did a great job, the only ones “simply” available are
Triple C a Vetafarm product and Oxymav B. They contain the same
active ingredients but Triple C is four times the price but double
the strength. Oxymav B works out a half the price. They are good for
respiratory infections and gut infections. The real truth is that
you have a very short window of about 24/36 hour to save a bird in
and any treatment needs to be fast acting. We find that Baytrill
although a broad spectrum antibiotic, is far too slow acting for
most ailments. I have recently read an article which said it was for
a specific range of illnesses and if used for anything else it could
harm the liver.
What I would
like you to do is say what is wrong with the bird described and what
you would do!
1/ a bird is
inactive fluffed up and has been losing weight for a few months :-
2/ a bird is
inactive fluffed up and has been losing weight for a few months:-
3/ a bird is
fluffed up and losing weight for a few months:- tumour
4/ a bird is
fluffed up and losing weight for a few months and you notice its
cracking seed:- Mega Bacteria but which strain
5/ a bird is
losing weight but eating well:- worms. Plenty of worm treatments in
the market place but do make sure you give the correct dosage,
6/ a bird is
fluffed up and wet around the vent:- Enteritis give anti biotic
7/ a bird is
fluffed up inactive and laboured breathing:- air sac mite
In short it’s
better, simpler and more effective to prevent illness rather than
try and cure.
as a general rule we have found that most “high street” vets are of
little help when it comes to budgerigars. You really need a
specialist avian vet to really help you. Most “high street” vets
will want to carry out an autopsy and send samples off to labs,
which is very expensive, especially if it’s a good bird they want to
put down. Although we have never used them I am hearing very good
reports about Retford Poultry Partnership in Nottinghamshire. Their
pricing structure is very reasonable and most tests are done from
swabs or feaces samples. Unfortunately Retford have now been taken
over …..does anyone know if the new companies name and if they do
the same tests?
Steve said The
Holland Stud has 2 aviaries, at his which is the smaller of the two
setups the other at Michaels’ which is 10metre square with 47
breeding units and 8 flights compared to Steve’s 25 units with 2
small flights. Birds are transferred between the sheds during the
year for assessment etc.
judged birds brought that evening. He then explained why he had
positioned the birds the way he had and that he had judged them on
the basis of birds he would use in his breeding team.
closed the meeting at 9:50pm and thanked those present for their
attendance and wished them a safe journey home. (Good to have
another new member Barry Collin)
Jim Lawrie, our
Chairman, opened the meeting and welcomed all there. Apologies were
read out from John Burton, Bryon Shaw, Bill Farr, Geoff Futcher,
Brian Bailey, Kevin Burnett, Tony Cash, Steve Cox and Pam
main business started, Mike Freeborn announced to the Club the
death, this day, of Mr Fred Eatwell. A respectful minute’s silence
was given in his memory.
With all the
birds’ benched (any Blue Series) and ready for discussion later
after Les Underwood had judged them, we looked at the birds during
asked for support from our members for the Dorset BS Spring
Convention and Show that will be held on the 19th May
this year. Roger Carr will be acting Chairman, Alan Marchant the
speaker and Brian Reese judging the birds.
Trip on May 25th is still on; Mick to give latest details
soon on visits?
/ Tony Cash had sent via email to all members the 2018 accounts for
members to read at home to see if there were any ‘anomalies’ that
they would like to raise tonight .
Minutes of AGM 2018:
taken as a true account by members and there were no comments.
David Rice, started by saying a thank you to everyone connected to
the club for the work they did and apologised if he had forgotten
President David Rice welcomed the continuing success of the Club and
wished the Club future success.
of New President:
Malcolm and Pam Freemantle were joint President(s) elect and
Malcolm was duly handed the Chain of office from David Rice.
Photographs were taken and Malcolm said a few words of
appreciation for this honour. The meeting also took the
opportunity to offer its congratulations to Malcolm having
his 87th birthday yesterday.
report: the Chairmen considered the Club to be the premier Club in
the South, evidenced by its Gold Open Show status held for several
years; its success over the last three years by winning the L&SCBS
inter -Club competition; its regular high member attendance at
monthly meetings, and having an interesting programme of events,
including attracting top quality speakers throughout the year. (This
was due to the good offices of the General Secretary, Tony Cash.)
The Club had also been innovative in offering a Reward Scheme to
encourage exhibitor participation at its annual Open Shows.
Cash's unavoidable absence due to health reasons, no formal report
was made. However, the Chairman was confident that he too would
share the sentiments already expressed about the growing success of
Report and Membership
Report and Membership updates - Peter Merritt took the meeting
through the accounts highlighting the main features. In particular
that the Club had made a profit of £343.92 at the 2018 Open Show.
This was significant as most Clubs operated at loss. The main
reasons for our success was the eagerness of the Club members
supporting the Club through sponsorship and donated birds to raise
funds by auction. He explained that the Club’s finances were in a
very healthy state, holding a bank balance of in excess of £4,000.
We also had a membership of over 40. The Club expressed its
appreciation of Peter's stewardship of the finances.
Bill Butler from London was welcomed as a new (and paid up) member
of the Club.
Officers - as the new President, Malcolm Freemantle took the Chair
for the election of the Chairman. Jim Lawrie was prepared to serve
in this capacity for this next year, and there being no other
nominees, was re-elected as Chairman. He then resumed the Chair for
the election of other officers' positions.
explained that Tony Cash had previously circulated to the membership
the names and positions that individuals were prepared to stand for
again. There being no further nominations from the floor it was
proposed by David Rice and seconded by Ray Nicholls that these
appointments should be confirmed. The list of positions filled is
attached It was also raised from the floor that there should be an
appointment of a Vice Chair. Mike Freeborn agreed to stand for this
position. This was proposed by David Rice and seconded by Andrew
Open Show -
much had been previously mentioned, and Peter confirmed that we
would be in the same school hall as last year.
President - having spoken privately beforehand to Malcolm
Freemantle, the Chairman explained that conventionally the
appointment of President was for a three year period of office.
However, on this occasion it seemed prudent for the President Elect
to be selected now rather than next year, just in case Malcolm was
at any time unavailable to carry out his Presidential duties. The
Chairman invited Andy Thorpe to accept this position, which he did,
and this was then formally proposed by the Chairman and seconded by
AOB - the
chairman explained that the Committee had initially decided to
withdraw the financial reward scheme but that on reflection wished
to re-instate the scheme, due to the changed circumstances of
abolishing the Beginner Section and that the Club had sufficient
funds to pay for the scheme, that the Club should be invited to
express its own view. After lengthy discussion the proposal to
continue with a Reward Scheme was agreed by a majority
An even more
lively discussion ensued over the merits of Special awards of
£30 for Best Novice Young bird and Any Age. The general mood of the
meeting was that by abolishing the Beginners Section, hitherto
beginners would face increased competition with established Novices,
and that the reward on offer would not prove to be a sufficient
incentive for increased entries at the Open Show. There was a
general preference for more tangible and enduring rewards to be
offered to the Novice section. It was proposed that Rosettes down to
the first 10 for each of the Any Age and Young Bird classes should
be awarded. This proposal was carried by a majority vote.
proceeded to raise a valid point about patronage awards. For several
years the South Hants BS open show schedule has referred to
patronage rewards beings given to the clubs' own members
successfully exhibiting at the show. However, no such awards have
been made in recent years. It was agreed that this anomaly should
be rectified for the 2019 Open Show. Peter Merritt agreed to look
into the rewards that could cost effectively be made.
The AGM closed
at 9:10 pm.
refreshment break, Les Underwood judged birds brought that evening.
He then explained why he had positioned the birds the way he had and
that he had judged them on the basis of birds he would use under
closed the meeting at 9:50pm and thanked those present for their
attendance and wished them a safe journey home.
Meeting Cancelled due to Snow
Jim Lawrie, our Chairman, opened the
meeting and welcomed all there. Apologies were read out from John
Burton, Andy Thorpe, Steve Cox, Wally Sheppard, Chris Mathews and
The birds were benched and ready for
Les Underwood to place in an order that he would like to take home
to help improve his stud!
Jim then explained the format for the
evening, which was talking about our breeding problems and
medications in the first session, then looking and talking about the
birds that Les Underwood was going to judge as birds he would take
home, during the first part of the evening.
With lots of discussion on day old
chicks dying (Red & White chicks) and various ways to eradicate
this, we went on to talk about all sorts of problems such as brittle
bones and egg bound hens, as well as different feeding methods
etc. Most members had some problems in the birdroom, although Peter
Merritt said he was doing well without too many problems, which
brought up all types of diseases from other members and medicines to
treat them. Below are some of the medicines mentioned that our
Treatments/ Medicines used by
2Grams to 2 Litres
Triple C -
Baytril Oral -
Harkers 3 in 1
(Waga Waga in Australia)
Dac – Combi
(Trichomoniasis /Canker /Coccidiosis)
Neil Cawley stood up and said that
the Dorset BS Spring Convention and Show will be held on the 19th
May this year and asked for support from our members.
In part 2 Les Underwood gave us
detailed reasons for choosing the birds in the order he had placed
After this we asked several members
to express their views on the birds and most agreed with the
positions that Les Underwood had placed them in, as birds to take
home and why.
We all had a lovely evening talking
about this great hobby of ours and many thanks to all that brought
birds for the meeting!
After the raffle Jim Lawrie thanked
every body. He then closed the meeting and wished everyone a safe